Mark Hawthorne

                                            Presenting a toy to Henry

I first encountered Mark Hawthorne's work through his book Bleating Hearts: The Hidden World of Animal Suffering, which is a comprehensive look at the myriad and often unseen ways animals are used by human society. Mark's other books are Striking at the Roots: A Practical Guide to Animal Activism, and most recently A Vegan Ethic: Embracing A Life Of Compassion Toward All. In August of 2016 I invited Mark and his wife and fellow activist lauren Ornelas to journey a few towns south from their home to share their thoughts both individually and as a couple about the systems, habits and policies that support animals use, and what we can each do to minimize both human and animals suffering around the world.

Interview Excerpts

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Introduction and What Mark Does

All of the Sudden I was Seeing It Everywhere 

What It Means to Be An Activist

The Meaning of Lethal Dose 50

Human Cognition and Compassion

Changes In Animal Use 

A Vegan Ethic

How Human and Animals Interests are Connected

Childhood Sensitivity to Animals and Adult Lies

Writing About Animal Use

Striking at the Root

Arguments for Using Animals

Activism for Human Rights and Animal Rights